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Thread: Ebay and Craigslist ads - Lots of Sevens for sale

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    That Lotus 7 S1 has been on and off for sale for the last few years, always by Old School Restorations.
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    That Lotus 7 S1 has been on and off for sale for the last few years, always by Old School Restorations.
    Thoughts on that car?
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    Its been discussed on this forum a few times. SimpleSevens and Dennis Ortenburger have recognized it in their website/book. So it has some level of historical recognition with what seems to be generally accepted as a period-made IRS conversion to an S1 chassis. I have not checked if it is a genuine S1 chassis but everyone else seems to be accepting that it is from what I am reading?

    I view period-made as 50s to mid-60s.

    The key question impacting value from that is:
    1) Was it a home-brew modification by an owner?
    or
    2) Was it a Lotus experimental vehicle?

    No clear cut evidence either way. The owner makes his case in the auction wording. SimpleSevens documented fact pattern balances that out. We will likely never get the complete fact pattern that convinces everyone out there but I don't think that matters anyway as it probably does not move the value much either way plus it is fascinating the way it is.

    Putting that aside, it is a wonderful vehicle that is full of history. Alloy nose cone - so so rare. The IRS makes it better than a live axle whether it be on track or road. The BMC A series engine is one I had in my S2 back in Oz a lifetime ago and they are sweet little engines that rev their guts out. Switftune in UK do a Mini version of that engine that they rev to 10,000rpm in competition mode - bulk money build though.

    A potential buyer needs to decide will he race or road this. I don't know what class this best fits into for racing as it is today. Some thought needed there. It would kill a Mini with a hot A series engine so it has huge racing potential with some research.

    It has what I call a race restoration currently. The car likely needs some fettling work to bring it up to its best. Its buyer weakness is:
    - its rear view with the unusually modded rear end.
    - Potential purchasers need to think about whether they fit behind the wheel. These were small. Lot shorter in driving position than an S3 Caterham. Forgetting our width restrictions, Shane and I would not fit because of our long legs. I think the max person is around 5'11?

    I hope Dean chimes in here on the forum to weigh in given his extensive S1 knowledge and experience.

    Bidding starts at $20K. Supposedly no reserve per the ad. That would be pretty close to where a buyer assumes no official Lotus provenance. Where else do you get an S1 for sale at this price that actually runs and drives? Sure it needs work but that creates the value play in my mind.

    If it were me I would:

    - give it the Steve from St Louis mirror polish treatment
    - clean up that dash area - paint it matt black or black crackle finish to avoid blindness, find Smith gauges and make them look consistent, logically array switchgear, sort out the "ear" worn part of dash at side of chassis, put a knuckle protector on lower edge of dash to avoid gear changing injuries
    - mount the wings and find some head lights/indicators/rear brake lights/etc - make it road safe.
    - need to assess the A series engine condition more closely. It runs but so does a single horse so who knows if it is producing power good enough for a buy to be happy? A rebuild may be worth it?
    - probably put a black tonneau cover over top of boot area or maybe an ali panel with dzus for access - the rear view is the car's biggest visual drawback - it looks messy.
    - light cosmetics and clean up in the engine bay
    - wheel alignment and assessment of tire age for cracks
    - replacement of anything perishable rubber in suspension/engines/brakes


    I can see upside to adding value for the first time in this car's 'for sale' life initially on Craigslist then more recently Ebay. That work listed above is cheap and improves its cosmetic appeal plus improves its mechanical freshness/reliability. It may never come close to crossing the $30k sale price area even after my suggested mods but I don't think that ever matters - you have a very unique and very rapid S1 (equal to crossflow powered Caterham/Birkin) that you should still be whole on if you ever have to sell.
    Mike
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    2018 Caterham 420R with 2L Duratec 210hp at Donington UK
    1975 BMW CSL Group 4 (restoration - engine and dry sump install time)
    1977 Holden Torana "A9X" (awaiting restoration)
    1985 Holden Commodore Group A (restoration - engine rebuild)
    1982 Ferrari 400i (will repaint to original color in 2020)
    1965 Ford Mustang Fastback "Holman Moody"
    1992 Ford Escort RS Cosworth WRC (fettling after long period of storage)
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    I truly didn't know they existed. Every A-series ribcase I've used have only had syncros for gears 2 through 4.
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    Back in AL this evening. I’m 1+17 from the car. I’ll find time this week to go over, and have a look. Armed with Croc’s excellent response, perhaps get a better feel (photos/questions/ride?) for what’s there.
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    Back in AL this evening. Iím 1+17 from the car. Iíll find time this week to go over, and have a look. Armed with Crocís excellent response, perhaps get a better feel (photos/questions/ride?) for whatís there.
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    The "S1" is a very interesting car. I'd love to see Shane buy it and work his magic. Amazing that it weighs in at 880 lbs, 250 lbs less than my lightweight X-flow, 500 lbs less than my porky full caged '03 Caterham.
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    Mike, I’d have to figure out where to put four more cylinders.
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    Refer next post below for Craigslist ads

    NEW

    Caterham (no MSO, No VIN, no Title? This one is interesting...)
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Lotus-...AAAOSws65dvkGN


    Replica
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-Replic...UAAOSwG8ldvKaZ




    REPEATS

    Lotus 7 S2
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Lotus-...UAAOSwbzpdcqDW
    and here
    https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...n/2315081.html


    Caterham SCCA
    https://www.wirewheel.com/inventory/...-car-for-sale/


    Lotus 7 S2
    http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/lo...57321710ss.htm


    Stalker
    http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/lo...37589044ss.htm


    Caterham
    https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...d/2320672.html


    Stalker
    https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...7/2167534.html


    Lotus 7 S1
    https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...7/2099394.html


    Caterham SV
    https://vintageracecarsales.com/port...ham-seven-480/


    Birkin
    https://classiccars.com/listings/vie...missouri-63090


    Birkin
    http://sodo-moto.com/listings/1991-birkin-seven/


    Super Seven Sportscar (Fejer)
    http://sodo-moto.com/listings/super-seven-2tg/


    Birkin
    http://sodo-moto.com/listings/1990-birkin-seven-so-cal/


    Caterham SV
    http://britauto.com/portfolio-view/2...-sv-roadsport/


    Caterham
    http://britauto.com/portfolio-view/2000-caterham/




    Canada

    Caterham
    https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars...r-7/1454204099


    Caterham
    https://www.kijiji.ca/v-autos-camion...982/1410777802


    Caterham
    https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/...lhd/1457842919


    Dutton Malaga 7
    https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/...976/1461384777


    Replica project
    https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars...ica/1469490969


    Seven fiberglass parts
    https://www.kijiji.ca/v-auto-body-pa...rts/1446688879


    Replica
    https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars...ven/1467827905
    Mike
    2010 Caterham CSR with Cosworth 2.3 Duratec
    2018 Caterham 420R with 2L Duratec 210hp at Donington UK
    1975 BMW CSL Group 4 (restoration - engine and dry sump install time)
    1977 Holden Torana "A9X" (awaiting restoration)
    1985 Holden Commodore Group A (restoration - engine rebuild)
    1982 Ferrari 400i (will repaint to original color in 2020)
    1965 Ford Mustang Fastback "Holman Moody"
    1992 Ford Escort RS Cosworth WRC (fettling after long period of storage)
    1990 Range Rover 2 door Classic

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