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Thread: Save the Date - 2020 Annual Sevens HPDE Event at NJMP - October 17/18, 2020

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    Quote Originally Posted by SanderGA View Post
    Iíve looked around trying to figure out the HPDE rules for the NJMP event. Havenít found much so Iíll ask a couple of questions specific to me.

    Iíve done about 5 HPDE events with different clubs but never enough with any club to have enough sessions to be promoted out of the novice group. I have no evidence of those past events.

    My car has a road roll bar.

    Will I be able to drive on the track?
    Will I have an assigned instructor? (Iíd rather not.)
    Do I need an FIA roll bar or cage?
    Will I have to run with a windscreen because of the broomstick test? (Iíd rather not.)

    Thanks

    Sander
    These are all good questions that I was planning to answer when the registration site goes live next week. But let me answer them now.

    All safety requirements that are mandatory for all participants are specified in New Jersey law - Chapter 62 here:
    https://www.njsp.org/divorg/operatio...egulations.pdf

    Refer the section on HPDE. Its not that long.

    You will be required to complete a tech inspection - the relevant form to guide your preparations is here:
    https://njmp.com/wp-content/uploads/...orm-2019-1.pdf

    Please take the preparation seriously - it is your safety we are concerned about.

    Summarizing the key requirements of the NJ laws:
    • Helmet Requirement: A Snell M or SA rated full-faced helmet dated 2010 or newer is required for all drivers and passengers on the track. Open face helmets are not permitted in open cars like sevens. Rental helmets are available with prior arrangement through the NJMP General Store.


    • Arm restraints: NJMP requires open top cars to be driven on track with drivers and passengers both wearing arm restraints and full faced helmets.


    • Open Top Cars: Must have approved rollover protection. Pop up roll bars or detachable hard tops are not accepted by NJ State Law.


    • Broomstick rule is applicable for rollover protection: Driver and instructor must pass broomstick test with helmets on.


    • Belts: Only 5 or 6 point belts are acceptable. Belts age must be on a label on the belts. No label Ė no driving. SFI belts must be 2 years or newer. FIA belts must be within 5 years or newer. No 4 point belts allowed. No DOT 3 point road belts are accepted in open cars like ours.


    • Numbers: Painters tape numbers on both sides of your seven are acceptable. Donít pick ď7Ē as everyone does that and you will be asked to change it.



    Please note that Kitcat is incorrect above - NJ is mandatory for arm restraints. For those that forget, I will make people use a pink fluffy set on track and post your photo here. They are pretty cheap - Simpson, OG Racing, even Caterham have them.

    To answer your specific questions:

    1) Iíve done about 5 HPDE events with different clubs but never enough with any club to have enough sessions to be promoted out of the novice group. I have no evidence of those past events.

    Thats not a problem. The usual range for moving from novice to a passing group is 7 to 10 days. I would suggest you start off in the novice group with its paced laps, we assess your progress/comfort level after Day 1 and consider whether you can move up on Day 2.

    2) My car has a road roll bar. Do I need an FIA roll bar or cage?

    Reading Chapter 62 for the section under HPDE, there is no mention of requiring a cage or an FIA or even SFI labelled roll bar. I know some people refer to the "FIA" bar on a Caterham but its never been officially labelled or stamped as an FIA roll bar since the old imperial chassis. I believe the cages can be received with an FIA sticker but a cage is not mandatory for an HPDE. So as an example my Caterham CSR is a metric chassis and it does not have an FIA roll bar.

    The Birkins and Westfields run the event with a roll bar very similar design to the one on your car without the cross bracing. If I recall correctly, a small number of Caterhams in past events have run with the same roll bar design as yours. My ex-maroon Caterham SV used to run the event with the same roll bar design as yours. So you are not the only one who has to make an evaluation on your comfort level with your car's level of safety. The NJ HPDE law requirements are a minimum and you can choose to go higher based on your preference.

    3) Will I be able to drive on the track?

    Yes if you meet the safety criteria.

    4) Will I have an assigned instructor? (Iíd rather not.)

    Its up to you. If the event was today then the answer is no as the current COVID restrictions prevent an instructor from riding passenger (or student riding as passenger). That is expected to change by the time of our event so you probably could have an instructor if you wanted one.

    Assuming we have the COVID regs change by the time of our event then I expect you would be able to ride passenger with an instructor in the passing group with Tom, Jeff, Simon, me or John as we are all NJMP instructors. This way you get to see the right line and where we apply brakes. You also get to enjoy the session with lots of other sevens on track.

    5) Will I have to run with a windscreen because of the broomstick test? (Iíd rather not.)

    Broomstick test on a Caterham is from top of roll bar to the nosecone. A helmet adds about 0.75 inch to the top of your head. You would have to see how close it is. If your helmet is above the level of the roll bar then I do not need a broomstick to know that you fail it. A windscreen is not structural in a Caterham so that will not help you with a broomstick test.

    The solution for that problem is work out how to lower your seat. Taking it off the adjustable runners and direct bolting to the pan gets you about an extra inch clearance. Your seat squab is the old style removable type. Coming up with a thinner foam temporary seat could give you more "head room" as a temporary solution for this event. Neither of these is particularly difficult.
    Mike
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    I believe last year arm restraints were required. (Just see now that Croc answered that above).

    On another note - what's the hotel people usually stay at? I camped last year, but thinking hotel this year.
    Last edited by BlueBDA; 08-19-2020 at 07:50 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBDA View Post
    I believe last year arm restraints were required. (Just see now that Croc answered that above).

    On another note - what's the hotel people usually stay at? I camped last year, but thinking hotel this year.
    Yes - to reinforce the message, arm restraints are mandatory.

    For hotels, the best ones:
    - Fairfield Inn in Millville. This is the usual preference and fairly close.
    - Hampton Inn in Vineland - about 3 miles back up rt 55
    - Holiday Inn Express in Millville
    - Wingate by Wyndham in Vineland - just next to the Hampton Inn.

    Sadly the track accommodation is booked out.
    Mike
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    1985 Holden Commodore SS Group A (suspension restoration)
    1985 Holden Commodore Group A (suspension set up)
    1982 Ferrari 400i (radiator replacement)
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    I have a piece of firm foam that I used to get me lower for more leg clearance from the steering wheel. Worked really well in dropping me down lower in the car. I used it until I got around to making a foam bead seat to replace it. It’s still in my trailer. You are welcome to use it. It will definitely get you a lot lower if needed. Tom.
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    I just stumbled across the New Jersey Health "Self-Quarantine for Travelers FAQ" advisory regarding COVID19. It was issued in June and updated August 18,2020. It lists 35 states from which visitors to NJ are expected to voluntarily self-quarantine for 14 days. It is only a recommendation so not enforceable, so just tossing it out there in the FWIW category.

    If followed, folks from a majority of states would not be able to participate in our se7ens gathering. Absent from the list of banned states, however, are PA and NY, so at least Tom and Croc can come. Ditto Ohio (me), Colorado, Connecticut and Massachusetts. So maybe no one who typically comes is affected?
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    Don’t ask. Don’t tell. And it’s a peaceful protest if anyone asks.
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    So we can all be quarantined in Croc’s garage for two weeks? Doesn’t sound too bad to me.

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    Its 7 weeks away. They took states off the list this last week at least one is coming off next week. I have been making calls to a health supremo official to get the inside scoop (yes you have met him!) and I expect some more to come off before October. The really problem states are the sun belt which are not expected to lift the restrictions in the next 2 months but I am not expecting anyone from FL, TX, AL or MI this year or CA for that matter.

    Don't panic - we will be fine.

    Still trying to work out dinners on a safe social distancing basis - I do not want to put you at risk of getting infected.
    Mike
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    1975 BMW CSL Group 4 (restoration finished - track set up time)
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    NOTE: Late change in dates as a result of NJMP needing to accommodate some event-related COVID changes

    It is now Saturday October 17 and Sunday the 18th, 2020.

    Numbers are capped at 15 cars. Still an exclusive 7 run group for intermediate and advanced HPDE participants. Introductory green group remains available.

    Working on registration site this week.
    Mike
    2010 Caterham CSR with Cosworth 2.3 Duratec
    2018 Caterham 420R with 2L Duratec 210hp at Donington UK
    1975 BMW CSL Group 4 (restoration finished - track set up time)
    1977 Holden Torana "A9X" (awaiting restoration)
    1985 Holden Commodore SS Group A (suspension restoration)
    1985 Holden Commodore Group A (suspension set up)
    1982 Ferrari 400i (radiator replacement)
    1965 Ford Mustang Fastback "Holman Moody"
    1992 Ford Escort RS Cosworth WRC (dyno time)
    1990 Range Rover 2 door Classic
    and another project car coming....

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