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    Just jumping in on Quicksilver. I have had two Twin Cam engines built by Quicksilver and can confirm they do excellent work. The engines perform as designed to my spec (I have them Dyno after the build while I am there) and donít leak a drop of oil. They arenít cheap, but they are the best. The machine shop alone is worth the drive to see.
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    Thank you
    Funny enough just finished writing a PM to Kitkat regarding how much am I spending and trying to justify it

    If I look at the cost it is not so much the amount of $$$ I have spent just in hindsight how they could of been better spent.
    I think with the cost of the car the two resprays (That's another story) the mechanical issues the electrical issue and now a possable $8k bill for a engine rebuild all that cash could of bought me a new car!

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    Again you have to excuse my ignorance but I looked down the throttle bodies and all four valves are visible and seated
    Good News?
    Does this mean that the banging is not something in the bore?

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    Don't forget, in addition to the 8 intake valves, you have 8 exhaust valves. If those are visible from the intake, then you have a serious problem

    Have you removed the sparkplugs yet to look for damage? If something is banging around the combustion chamber, it can visibly damage the plug. Shining a flashlight down the sparkplug port "could" also reveal a piece of metal on top of the piston, but I'd spend $40 and buy a borescope that you can put down that opening and give it a good once over. Nothing may have broken off, but you could have bent a valve. I have this one that works well and would do the job.

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    as I said excuse my ignorance
    Thanks off to Harbor Freight

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    Sorry, being a sarcastic a-hole just comes naturally to me Pull the plugs (keep them in order so you know which plug came from each cylinder) and look for a bent electrode, flecks of metal, chipped/cracked insulator, oil soaked, or discolored compared to the rest. Post photos if anything looks suspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCh View Post
    Sorry, being a sarcastic a-hole just comes naturally to me
    Brightonuk: Don't worry about John - he's afflicted living 3 hours behind the civilized world plus its just that time of the month when one of his cars has gone belly up in the garage and oozed some noxious fluid all over his mirror polished white garage floor.

    John: Was it the Porker or the Lotus this time?



    The Harbor Fright borescope option is a good idea - detected 6 holes in pistons for me so far. However, a fundamental truth exists - if it sounds like a bucket of bolts or a mother-in-law then its f*&%ed and you need carefully consider tear down and rebuild options. Running it while it sounds like this is likely just doing more internal damage - so dont until you can confirm what has gone wrong.

    Given you are worried about the wife...errr....cost then I would seriously consider buying a cheap used crate engine from a reliable source, shipping it to you and just swapping that in. It gets you back up running quicker and longer term you can decide to later have the broken engine rebuilt using the quicksilver or other reputable local solution with a lot more power, or even sell off the broken engine as spares. Allows you the phase in costs over time and tiptoe past the better half. Just make sure you are swapping like for like engine. The advantage of this is you may be able to plug and play without having to buy a new ECU or needing to remap - saves a bit a money there. Find out what ECU you have now - as it will inform your search process.

    Its not clear from your posts what exact version of Zetec you have (your engine number will help you identify it) but if it is the regular cooking model then some used engine options are on this link:
    https://automotix.net/usedengines/20...inventory.html

    If it is the SVT then here
    https://www.jegs.com/i/ATK-Engines/059/DFDP/10002/-1

    JEGS also has remanufactured crate engines for other types of Zetec.

    I did not check but Summit probably has the crate engine option too plus there may be other sellers out there.
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    Im a britt so we get a "dry sense of humor" and I will take sarcasame if the guy giving it knows more than me so that goes for 95% of people on this forum.

    The block is a Ford Racing this is the only number I see


    Just found this any thoughts as this option is 50% less than a rebuild and seems like a no brainer
    Out of the choices of engine they offer which one?

    https://focus-power.com/product/zetec-engine/



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    You will also need to determine why the engine went kaput. Typically, it is oil starvation issues caused by GG-forces generated by sticky tires and pushing the limit, over and over, on the track. Cheapest solution is an Accusump set up, then dry-sump, which is double the cost of the Accusump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brightonuk View Post
    I will take sarcasm if the guy giving it knows more than me

    not in this case - he drives Porshes...porschi...porkers...those things!





    So it was a Ford Racing crate engine to begin with. That helps. Makes a plug and play solution easier.

    The link you provided is for a short block - so no sump and no head. Not necessarily bad but it explains why it is cheap. We don't know if you have head damage (the engine...not you) although you will probably be able to reuse the old sump without concern albeit it you may want to upgrade if oil surge was the cause of your issue.

    As Mike notes above you will need to determine why it failed so it does not go boom again. Did it happen on road? (bad luck) Do you autocross? (oil starvation) Are you a track day fan? (oil starvation) Did you over-rev it? (oil pump/valve train) Do you let the wife drive it? (clutch)

    If you think you like the crate engine approach then will you be pulling the old engine and swapping out or getting a mechanic to do it? You want an old-school mechanic. Race guys have smarts on dealing with out of the ordinary types of installations. The crack head monkeys at dealership service departments cannot take a piss without an OBDII reader.


    Edited to add - there is a long block description there but my failing eyesight failed to see it when reading the page! duh! I would see if I could resurrect the existing head before buying a long block. Looks a good solution otherwise.
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    Mike
    2010 Caterham CSR with Cosworth 2.3 Duratec
    2018 Caterham 420R with 2L Duratec 210hp at Donington UK
    1975 BMW CSL Group 4 (restoration - engine and dry sump install time)
    1977 Holden Torana "A9X" (awaiting restoration)
    1985 Holden Commodore Group A (restoration - engine rebuild)
    1982 Ferrari 400i (will repaint to original color in 2020)
    1965 Ford Mustang Fastback "Holman Moody"
    1992 Ford Escort RS Cosworth WRC (fettling after long period of storage)
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