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Thread: Choice of Fords?

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    Default Choice of Fords?

    First, hello to USA7 friends on the East coast, apologies for not being in touch since moving to SoCal and I hope you all have fun in July: For those of you that have not participated in the NJMP July event itís a terrific few days with very nice people.

    Second, after much hemming and hawing I've decided to part with my 98' S3 Caterham. It doesn't get used enough, and following an injury a couple of years ago I really can't drive it as quickly as I would like (p.s. for those of you that I last saw at NMJP in 2016, I recovered well, but my right leg isn't quite as useful as it once was).

    The choice of Fords question in the title of this thread is really a poll of which "old-school" Ford engine do folks on the forum think is most interesting engine to sell the car with. The car is currently set up with a BGH Geartech close ratio box and Titan LSD and those won't change, but I do have a number of nicely set up engines sitting in my garage, any one of which could go with the car.

    Ford lumps to choose from:

    • 1700cc Caterham supersprint wetsump, standard Caterham internals, kent 244 cam ~135bhp @ 6200rpm - original to the car and currently in the garage
    • 1640cc Lotus wetsump twincam (stromberg head) standard internals ~115bhp @ 5900 rpm - currently in the garage
    • 1740cc BDA drysump, built on a new Ford Motorsport block to a high road going spec., i.e. easily driveable on 93 octane and happy to run on 110, steel internals, balanced to 9000rpm etc. 190bhp @t 8600rpm - currently in the car


    Obviously there is a bit of cost and performance difference between the various lumps but I was wondering it there are any strong opinions on preferences when I come to sell the car.
    Cheers,
    Stewart

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    Hi Stewart! Glad to hear you are doing well. We miss you at our event. For those of you who haven't seen this car, it is a beauty and Stewart is a good driver and kept it on the track, unlike some of our brethren. Stewart is also very mechanically gifted, so the car always ran well. It's a very nice car. IMO. Someone should jump on this one.

    Take care Stewart. Tom
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    Stewart,

    Glad to hear recovery went well. Sorry to hear you are selling your Cat. My vote is for the the current lump; 1740cc BDA. Can you posts some pics of the car?
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    Stewart- glad to hear you’re recovered, but sorry you’re selling the Seven.

    PM sent.

    Steve

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    Hey Stewart

    Good to hear from you.

    My logic is to evaluate what the price differential would be. A BDA of that spec is seemingly around $8k+ on Ebay these days. So if a Caterham thats very attractive and well sorted like yours with the regular cross flow is marketable at around $23k (give or take) then would a BDA engine version bring $31-33k? To me it feels slightly rich and not realistic for a sale price? That said BDA Caterhams have advertised around there in the past so its ballpark - just a harder sale to find the right buyer wanting to pay that much more. A Twink engine standalone is about $7k last time I looked at Ebay. $30k makes no sense for a sale price when a twink is packaged put into a Caterham.

    I would stick the standard crossflow into the Caterham and sell it that way then sell the other engines off separately. There is a much bigger market for BDAs and Twinks within the broader Lotus community so they should be more readily saleable at a greater price.

    I think Steve wants a BDA for his Caterham anyway.

    Cheers
    mike
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    Then again if you leave the BDA in it and sell it to me for $23k, I will give you cash!
    Mike
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    Great to hear from you Stewart! After you disappeared I feared the worse regarding your (non-Caterham related) injury recovery.

    For those that don't know this car, as others have said, its is a beauty, with clams, Brooklands and an intriguing shade of blue. And with the BDA, it's as strong as most Zetecs and many Duratecs.

    I have to agree with Croc, I suspect the value will not reflect the excellent engine. Those who appreciate how special it makes this Caterham are few in number (add me and Croc to the list, but we have Caterhams already). On the other hand, your time pulling and replacing the engine has to be factored in, as well as making the X-flow work properly once back in.

    Maybe put it up for sale here for a firm price ($28-32K) and see? And offer a big discount if the buyer wants the X-flow. Sadly, the first thing the X-flow buyer will want to do is add power....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Croc View Post
    I think Steve wants a BDA for his Caterham anyway.
    Guilty as charged.

    Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitcat View Post

    For those that don't know this car, as others have said, its is a beauty, with clams, Brooklands and an intriguing shade of blue. And with the BDA, it's as strong as most Zetecs and many Duratecs.
    Concur. Stewart's Cat is indeed a looker:


    And often admired by passers by:


    Stewart:

    I didn't get an opportunity to thank you for the beverage on Saturday. So thanks!

    Please touch base with me this week if you have time.
    Ron

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    Huge thanks for the compliments on the Caterham, to be honest it's not quite as pristine as when I bought it but it has served me (and occasionally Colleen) well.
    Also thanks for the suggestions on the Ford lumps, the original Crossflow and the BDA can be swapped in less than a day (yup - ask me why I know) so it wouldn't be too much of an issue to swap back to the crossflow. Also, thanks to Ron for posting pictures of the car during an extremely rare wet day in San Diego. It just happened to be a lotus marque day at a local "cars and coffee" so Colleen and I took the Elan (it finally got finished ) and the Caterham along to show off the cars in their "natural weather conditions".
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